Tulpa.info - metaphysics

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Oh, so you did share it outside of DM too. In quite a vague way, but still.

Share what? It was clearly a joke.

It wasn't a funny joke for us.

Zen

People almost universally approach tulpamancy with the first of these statements. The thing is, "right" to them at that time usually gets based on arbitrary stuff like whether a tulpa has the same favourite colour as you... cough

The thing that you mentioned, that I would would say is the thing that is causing unnecessary disruptions. There are a lot of examples like that

5:32 PM

sharing things from DMs is very impolite and builds distrust

5:33 PM

Anubis might not mind it, but consider that others might

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Why are people so desperate about their tulpa being as much independent from them as it's possible? I think it's the thing that they hurt themselves with the most.

I think it's also ironic too- once the parrotnoia goes away, the desire to be as "separate as possible" also fades. Not everyone wants to be a master tulpamancer, but I wonder if that kind of approach is necessary at least initially to overcome establishing separation. A new tulpamancer has to fight their initial world view of who they are really hard to accept tulpas at all, and parrotnoia can make or break success. Once achieved, a system usually settles down and realizes they no longer need such an extreme view towards tulpamancy anymore However, I realize it's possible re-setting initial expectations could alleviate parrotnoia. I think parrotnoia was far worse in 2013 when people thought hour counts and auditory imposition were required for creating a tulpa. We tell people that's no longer true, and as a result, people are usually more willing to accept tulpas in general. (edited)

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All Gas No Brakes

Conscious Life Expo

1:09 PM

Hey, new member here. Can someone define metaphysics for me please?

Ill use @Unfastened Belts's definition of it (edited)

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Oh, thanks.

Hi

I like the philosophical side

I've heard metaphysical as defined by both philosophy and supernatural means really.

11:11 PM

I think both could be b applied to tulpamancy probably

11:12 PM

What's some of the most interesting theories or such about tulpas that you guys have heard?

When browsing through the archives of this very chat, I have found several instances of people reporting that they impregnated their tulpa. This seems odd to me. I am no stranger in the idea of tulpas helping create new tulpas, as I was one of Rune's first tulpas made, and have thus helped in the creation of most of my headmates. However, to me it seems that a host would only physically impregnate a tulpa for their own personal satisfaction, as even though it is possible for hosts to interact with tulpas sexually through techniques such as wonderlanding, it is still physically impossible for a host to impregnate a tulpa on accident.

11:24 PM

Conclusion: Humans are odd.

Alternative interpretation: A pregnancy visualization is an excellent symbolic mechanism for creation, and requires prolonged suggestion before coming to fruition, and the more it is perceived as real the more effective it will be. It is accompanied with its own bodily and emotional changes and this feedback can be used as the crux for hypnosis. The more you accept these things and feel them, the easier the creation of a tulpa and possibly one with greater suggested capacities.

I agree with your alternative interpretation, and actually considered it while I was sending my message. However, the hosts in these articles were stating they did it on accident, and were wondering what to do. This indicates either subconsciously controlling various parts of their mind, or deliberately lying.

Indeed, if done subconsciously that actively implies they are tapping into this hypnotic effect, I'd add.

11:33 PM

But people can and do lie and troll about various things tulpa-related. Though honestly not much surprises me at this point, there's been enough pregger tuppers to say with confidence that at least some of them are telling the truth

11:40 PM

In a broad way, any physiological response of a tulpa requires such a response. I do not bat an eye at the notion my tulpa's form experiences pain and pleasure seperately from me and this suggestion is exactly what allows me to access bleed effects related to their form's sensation. But they don't have a form, really, and it doesn't have nerves to respond to whatever I imagine happening to them.

I agree with this statement. Any tulpa related activity at all can be considered drawing on a subconscious process. I now see that it is most certainly possible to have a tulpa become affected by the actions of an outside force subconsciously. Thank you for this enlightening discussion.

Tulpas summoned via ouija board

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Tulpas becoming pregnant seems really, really weird to me. Like, I'm basically in a relationship with my tulpa, but even then the idea of a tulpa becoming pregnant seems taboo in my mind

2:46 AM

The ouija board concept seems weird but possible to me. Especially if ones head is hyperactive and hyperfixates enough

Ouija Boards rely on dissociation from action in the same way that a tulpa's thought is dissociated from you. There is no way to use one (without active deceit) without relying on what is essentially a thoughtform to do the action for you.

2:49 AM

On that note, there was a couple of 'mancers who used pendulums to establish very rapid vocality here.

2:49 AM

It might be easier for people to grasp with a bit of supernatural shenanigans than just expecting vocality off the bat.

Never thought about idiomotor effect being tied to dissociation, and yet, yeah

Some of the other interesting theories or stuff I've encountered was one time while browsing the now defunct 8chan, one thread talked about their tulpa looking exactly like an image of their mother they had encountered when they were a dreaming as a kid. Then the possibility was that they were projecting their anima, so they were somehow in Jungian terms projecting a part of their shadow.

Possibly. Before and during tulpamancy I have long had a sort of pseudo-shadow-self thing which I have spoken to a number of times in the same fashion as a tulpa, but not made a lasting part of my life. Such a construct relies on you at least having some investment in the idea. To be blunt, Jung was wrong, but his ideas are most definitely enough to create a thoughtform in their image.

3:08 AM

What's notable about projections of the unconscious is that they fail to be completely impartial and unconscious, because as identities they are things of upper consciousness. (edited)

3:08 AM

The more active they are the more they seem to deviate from their role as a rigid thing.

3:09 AM

I would expect an anima to inevitably behave animus-esque for instance.

I've been semi-jungian through my life, though I don't consider his stuff to be complete for everything. I've sometimes wondered if my tulpa is somehow related to my anima, or the significance of the tulpa with my subconscious

3:11 AM

I think I might have that 8chan thread saved on my hard drive funny enough now that I think of it

Jung's work is experiential, and often relies on anthropmorphization of parts of the mind. The reason modern psychology tries to use unconscious these days is precisely because of Freud and Jung and other sources personifying what is essentially mechanistic thought without intent or really much mysterious behind it.

Right

The idea of an anima alone is quaintly gender-centric.

I'm sure gender in Jungs time wasn't thought of in the same fashion as it is today

3:16 AM

That or viewed in the sense of biological sexes. Id say if one was to take Jungianism with what is thought of about genders in today's framework and try to reconstructe it then It would open so other cans of worms (edited)

At this point it's unecessary because we're actually beginning to delve into the real neuroscience of what's going on in the brain. It's fairly clear that there isn't some sort of arbitrary female or male part of the brain that's thinking in particular ways reminscent of Jungian psychology. Jung's entire logic was self contained and reasonable, but was never based on anything other than his impressions and people's ideas. Without grounding in data, such things are entirely speculation.

3:22 AM

It was, essentially, a well thought out mythology.

3:22 AM

At least it gave us the Persona series though.

3:22 AM

That shit's tight.

3:27 AM

In many ways, practically speaking, it's not any different from something like Chakra as a model for how the mind works, only Chakra is looked down upon because it's not related to the brain and at least Jung understood that we do our thunkin' in the brain. But it's the same sort of arbitrary categorization humans love to do that's not really based on anything. Humans seeing binary states and discreet concepts where there really is a messy analogue rainbow of states that don't fit neatly into our ideas, and vary between even similar brains. (edited)

Hells yeah

Yeah essentially Jungianism is a really well thought out mythology I can agree with that

3:29 AM

I still subscribe to this mythology sort of I admit, though I'd like to wonder how it would've turned out if Jung was alive today

Such things can be useful. I actually do use chakra visualizations for their "magical" purposes. Which is to say hypnotizing myself.

3:31 AM

My "shadow self" is quantified by how insightful he is about me and how I operate. I've used him as an advice generator when my state was confused.

3:32 AM

And the understanding of what he is is sufficient to make him actually insightful.

Yeah agreed it's all very useful in my eyes

I imagine such a mechanism is why created god thoughtforms behave in such a way as to be convincingly insightful about what you really want and need and so on.

3:34 AM

You naturally give them full access to your unconscious without your biases and confusion.

Yeah agreed. I find my tulpa somehow remembers stuff via memory for stuff she was never there for. I've been quite interested what a tulpa says about a persons conscious lately, which is how I ended up here lol

3:37 AM

Ever since I tried switching while inebriated, it got me really curious

When tulpas cant access memory it's usually about them not knowing such memory even exists, or in some way preventing themselves from accessing the memory through their beliefs.

3:40 AM

Memory is just something the brain has, and it has no real locks on its use.

Is there any chance tulpas know something about the host the host doesn't know about but doesn't want to say anything?

I've generally found the thoughts of my tulpa to be completely in the same space as my own if that's what you mean. In the rare event my tulpa wants to keep something I literally sense them wanting to keep it from me in the same way as I can sense the intent of my own thoughts.

I've had a few times where my tulpa has had insights about me that I hadn't realized, kind of stunned me at times

On the subject of tulpa metaphysics, anyone able to explain the difference between the tulpa in our modern understanding and the original tulpa in the Buddhist understanding

Tulpa in buddhism has nothing to do with tulpamancy - it describes a psychically projected body used by a buddha. Yidam meditation however, the creation of a personal god then merging with it, is an expression of 'mancy. (edited)

The term as tulpamancy uses it originates from a new age religion called theosophy which largely misinterprets buddhism and has more in common with western occultism and things like hermeticism, wicca, chaos magic, and the like, than any accurate forms esoteric buddhist tantra.

Just as I thought. I am sorta familiar with theosophy being the actual origins of this practice. I haven't heard anything about yidam meditation though

8:35 PM

The Buddhist practice sounds like it would take an extreme large amount of time and focus

Christianity VS tulpamancy: how to reconcile these two? (edited)

Both you and your tulpa need to convert to Christianity and accept our lord and savior as your master.

Oh, Hey Gocha

3:06 PM

Is Mon there as well? (edited)

I'm him too, you know?

Tulpamancy and Christianity are not always opposing forces. Sometimes tulpas encourage their host/system to embrace Christianity. I was very curious about Christianity myself until I realized it likely harms us as a system more than it helps.

Gosia

I'm him too, you know?

Ask him how long is he about to be mad at me and why is the Tulpiaki invite link broken

Instead of oversharing your personal problems here, you could ask us yourself in DM, you know?

Deleted User

Christianity VS tulpamancy: how to reconcile these two? (edited)

What's there to reconcile? All religion is just tulpamancy and it's wrong lol

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Tulpamancy and Christianity are not always opposing forces. Sometimes tulpas encourage their host/system to embrace Christianity. I was very curious about Christianity myself until I realized it likely harms us as a system more than it helps.

Yeah, it does the same with us. But the fear of being possibly eternally damned because of wasting my time with a tulpa instead of worshipping a higher, infinitely stronger force (even if such force in my opinion doesn't exist) is still there (edited)

Damned to a place that didn't exist in that religion until christianity even though the religion existed for millenia before that? Kay

Yeah

Reminder that Sheol is supposed to be a place of darkness you exist until the end of days and not an eternal torment

Yeah, Sheol (the pit) is supposed to simply be death (edited)

3:18 PM

End

3:18 PM

Darkness

3:18 PM

Not a imaginary river made of Blood and feces like Dante Alighieri said

Gosia

Instead of oversharing your personal problems here, you could ask us yourself in DM, you know?

I havent overshared anything yet...

Please remember that if you worship Christian demon instead of me and I'm a real goddess, you will become part of Polish Pope's and Primate of Evil's child harem after death.

Yeah, it does the same with us. But the fear of being possibly eternally damned because of wasting my time with a tulpa instead of worshipping a higher, infinitely stronger force (even if such force in my opinion doesn't exist) is still there

@deleted_user_b377f7b58d63 - jump Maybe worshipping your headmates is worshipping your God. Why would God provide such wonderful things to cherish if you were not meant to cherish them?

Hell is certainly more appealing as a memetic tool and as a mythology. Regardless though, I cannot help but smirk these days at the Abrahamic god in particular. The whole religion is a sham based on one bitter desert nation getting upset that they got conquered by Babylon.

3:23 PM

It's also amusing to me that the most important prophet in their entire religion remains unnamed. And it aint Jesus or Moses. It's "Second Isaiah", who decided Yahweh, the god of war, was the only god at some point after they lost their homeland. (edited)

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Christianity VS tulpamancy: how to reconcile these two? (edited)

What branch we talking about? I'm sure one could be a Christian and a tulpamancer depending on the branch. Especially esoteric branches and such. Probably would be hard if one was a regular Catholic or especially orthodox Not so much

I mean, I'm gonna guess most haven't thought to address it formally and so your answer is probably "depends on your interpretation"

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sorry it's taking a hot second I'm in dms and all over the place

9:56 PM

I might just go back to discussion honestly

10:04 PM

The secularized verison. Slightly messed up formatting